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		<title>By: Two series by Hidaka Banri :: Joy Kim</title>
		<link>http://joykim.net/posts/female-friendship-in-shojo-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-568</link>
		<dc:creator>Two series by Hidaka Banri :: Joy Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 05:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] work had been on my to-read list for a while anyway, but last month&#8217;s discussion of female friendship in sh&#333;jo manga inspired me to track them down sooner rather than [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Oyce</title>
		<link>http://joykim.net/posts/female-friendship-in-shojo-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-556</link>
		<dc:creator>Oyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joy - Very agreed about shoujo and friendship vs. romantic rivalry. I wonder how many series there are in which the women start out as rivals and then end up becoming friends instead? I feel like I can list a few, but they&#039;re very rare (in all genres and media, not just shoujo manga, alas).

Yeah, I have &lt;i&gt;Sand Chronicles&lt;/i&gt; in my head as a potential series for a great friendship, and I&#039;m really hoping that the mangaka takes more time to show Ann and Shika&#039;s relationship sans romantic entanglements. 

Good point re: &lt;i&gt;Her Majesty&#039;s Dog&lt;/i&gt;! I wouldn&#039;t include it because I&#039;m unsatisfied with where the mangaka ends up going with the story... I really like Amane&#039;s relationship with Takako in the beginning, but sadly, like many manga, it gets shafted a bit for the romance and for other plot stuff. I think Takeuchi tries to put it back in in later volumes, but it&#039;s not always successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joy &#8211; Very agreed about shoujo and friendship vs. romantic rivalry. I wonder how many series there are in which the women start out as rivals and then end up becoming friends instead? I feel like I can list a few, but they&#8217;re very rare (in all genres and media, not just shoujo manga, alas).</p>
<p>Yeah, I have <i>Sand Chronicles</i> in my head as a potential series for a great friendship, and I&#8217;m really hoping that the mangaka takes more time to show Ann and Shika&#8217;s relationship sans romantic entanglements. </p>
<p>Good point re: <i>Her Majesty&#8217;s Dog</i>! I wouldn&#8217;t include it because I&#8217;m unsatisfied with where the mangaka ends up going with the story&#8230; I really like Amane&#8217;s relationship with Takako in the beginning, but sadly, like many manga, it gets shafted a bit for the romance and for other plot stuff. I think Takeuchi tries to put it back in in later volumes, but it&#8217;s not always successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@joy - Oh, I agree with you about &lt;i&gt;Crimson Hero&lt;/i&gt;. I find the team/volleyball action far more interesting than when Nobara angsts about boys! :)

@Oyce - You&#039;re right; the rivals in &lt;i&gt;High School Debut&lt;/i&gt; *do* get more screentime than the friends, and that&#039;s a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@joy &#8211; Oh, I agree with you about <i>Crimson Hero</i>. I find the team/volleyball action far more interesting than when Nobara angsts about boys! :)</p>
<p>@Oyce &#8211; You&#8217;re right; the rivals in <i>High School Debut</i> *do* get more screentime than the friends, and that&#8217;s a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Lettering, inking, and screentones &#171; MangaBlog</title>
		<link>http://joykim.net/posts/female-friendship-in-shojo-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-551</link>
		<dc:creator>Lettering, inking, and screentones &#171; MangaBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Joy Kim&#8217;s footsteps, Oyceter lists some manga that feature female [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joey C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t see any of the Twitter posts, so I don&#039;t know if Card Captor Sakura was mentioned? Even when the series started to focus on Sakura and Syaoran, Tomoyo was there cheering them on. There was also Sakura&#039;s trio of friends. I think it&#039;s one of the most friendshippy shoujo series I&#039;ve got on my shelf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t see any of the Twitter posts, so I don&#8217;t know if Card Captor Sakura was mentioned? Even when the series started to focus on Sakura and Syaoran, Tomoyo was there cheering them on. There was also Sakura&#8217;s trio of friends. I think it&#8217;s one of the most friendshippy shoujo series I&#8217;ve got on my shelf.</p>
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		<title>By: What I&#8217;m Reading: Ouran High School Host Club, vol. 13 :: Joy Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>What I&#8217;m Reading: Ouran High School Host Club, vol. 13 :: Joy Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] friendship is exactly the sort of interaction I wish the series had more of. As I&#8217;ve remarked elsewhere lately, I love Ouran despite the fact that there are so few important female [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Oyce - One reason I originally framed the discussion within the sh&#333;jo genre is that the genre&#039;s conventions so often seem, to borrow your words, to pit women against each other. It&#039;s like relationships are this zero-sum game for women; they can have romance or friendship, but not really both. 

&lt;em&gt;Ouran&lt;/em&gt; is one of my exceptions; I love it a lot even though it is such a reverse harem series. I was so glad when Mei turned up; I just wished she had appeared earlier! (How far are you? I don&#039;t want to spoil you?)

My feelings on &lt;em&gt;Sand Chronicles&lt;/em&gt; are similar to yours. Though I wouldn&#039;t put it on a list of series celebrating female friendship--family is really the theme that balances out romance in &lt;em&gt;Sand Chronicles&lt;/em&gt; and makes it so appealing--I think Shika&#039;s characterization had enough layers to avoid some of the usual traps. I can&#039;t be quite as charitable about the depiction of the other girl who like Daigo, though at least that is more peripheral to the main plot.

I almost want to put &lt;em&gt;Land of the Blindfolded&lt;/em&gt; on the list because I really liked Kanade&#039;s friendship with Eri. I was still left wishing, though, that Eri had a slightly bigger role in the story.

I don&#039;t remember &lt;em&gt;Her Majesty&#039;s Dog&lt;/em&gt; very well--it&#039;s been so long since I read it!--but wouldn&#039;t that qualify?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Oyce &#8211; One reason I originally framed the discussion within the sh&#333;jo genre is that the genre&#8217;s conventions so often seem, to borrow your words, to pit women against each other. It&#8217;s like relationships are this zero-sum game for women; they can have romance or friendship, but not really both. </p>
<p><em>Ouran</em> is one of my exceptions; I love it a lot even though it is such a reverse harem series. I was so glad when Mei turned up; I just wished she had appeared earlier! (How far are you? I don&#8217;t want to spoil you?)</p>
<p>My feelings on <em>Sand Chronicles</em> are similar to yours. Though I wouldn&#8217;t put it on a list of series celebrating female friendship&#8211;family is really the theme that balances out romance in <em>Sand Chronicles</em> and makes it so appealing&#8211;I think Shika&#8217;s characterization had enough layers to avoid some of the usual traps. I can&#8217;t be quite as charitable about the depiction of the other girl who like Daigo, though at least that is more peripheral to the main plot.</p>
<p>I almost want to put <em>Land of the Blindfolded</em> on the list because I really liked Kanade&#8217;s friendship with Eri. I was still left wishing, though, that Eri had a slightly bigger role in the story.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember <em>Her Majesty&#8217;s Dog</em> very well&#8211;it&#8217;s been so long since I read it!&#8211;but wouldn&#8217;t that qualify?</p>
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		<title>By: Oyce</title>
		<link>http://joykim.net/posts/female-friendship-in-shojo-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-545</link>
		<dc:creator>Oyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 06:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I swear, I will stop commenting soon! But I also like Chmakova&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Dramacon&lt;/i&gt; and (so far) &lt;i&gt;Nightschool&lt;/i&gt; for their relationships between women. I particularly love that the primary plot of &lt;i&gt;Nightschool&lt;/i&gt; is driven not by romance or guys or whatnot, but by sisterhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I swear, I will stop commenting soon! But I also like Chmakova&#8217;s <i>Dramacon</i> and (so far) <i>Nightschool</i> for their relationships between women. I particularly love that the primary plot of <i>Nightschool</i> is driven not by romance or guys or whatnot, but by sisterhood.</p>
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		<title>By: Oyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 06:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michelle - I do love Haruna&#039;s friendship with Mami, as well as Haruna and her &quot;greatest rival,&quot; and I love the series a lot, but I feel like Kawahara tends to pit women against each other more often than not. As such, my overall impression is that the friendships are in the background and not given much weight by the narrative, as opposed to female rivals, who get significant plot arcs dedicated to them. I do hope that we&#039;ll get more of Haruna and Yoh&#039;s sister though, as I find the sister&#039;s characterization rather frustrating and uneven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michelle &#8211; I do love Haruna&#8217;s friendship with Mami, as well as Haruna and her &#8220;greatest rival,&#8221; and I love the series a lot, but I feel like Kawahara tends to pit women against each other more often than not. As such, my overall impression is that the friendships are in the background and not given much weight by the narrative, as opposed to female rivals, who get significant plot arcs dedicated to them. I do hope that we&#8217;ll get more of Haruna and Yoh&#8217;s sister though, as I find the sister&#8217;s characterization rather frustrating and uneven.</p>
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		<title>By: Oyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 06:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s technically seinen and the main focus is on romance, but I really like &lt;i&gt;Emma&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s use of women, from Emma&#039;s friendships with her fellow maids, her relationship with her old employer/almost-mentor, one of the side characters&#039; extremely over-protective big sister, and, best of all, a friendship between two women of about 40 or 50. 

And it&#039;s not licensed here (bah!), but so far, Takaya Natsuki&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Hoshi wa Utau&lt;/i&gt; has a female friendship that reminds me a lot of Tohru and Hanajima. Right now, there&#039;s a lot of guy angst, but I&#039;m trusting her writing and don&#039;t think she&#039;ll push aside the friendship for the romance.

I hope Hatori Bisco will have more with Haruhi&#039;s friendship with Mei, as I love &lt;i&gt;Ouran&lt;/i&gt; but really wish there were more women at times. 

What do you think about &lt;i&gt;Sand Chronicles&lt;/i&gt;? I feel that though a great deal of the focus is on romance and romantic rivalry, I also love Ann&#039;s relationship with Shika and how it&#039;s weighted in the series. 

Unsurprisingly, Yazawa Ai&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Paradise Kiss&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Last Quarter&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Gokinjo Monogatari&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;Tenshi Nanka Ja Nai&lt;/i&gt; (latter three not licensed, booooooo!) also have a lot of time dedicated to female friendships (I particularly love the ones in &lt;i&gt;Tenshi Nanka Ja Nai&lt;/i&gt;), and I love how she neatly sidesteps issues of romantic rivalry between women. 

... now I am tempted to make a list for non-shoujo series too, just because I feel good female friendships and/or romances can be difficult to find overall!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s technically seinen and the main focus is on romance, but I really like <i>Emma</i>&#8217;s use of women, from Emma&#8217;s friendships with her fellow maids, her relationship with her old employer/almost-mentor, one of the side characters&#8217; extremely over-protective big sister, and, best of all, a friendship between two women of about 40 or 50. </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not licensed here (bah!), but so far, Takaya Natsuki&#8217;s <i>Hoshi wa Utau</i> has a female friendship that reminds me a lot of Tohru and Hanajima. Right now, there&#8217;s a lot of guy angst, but I&#8217;m trusting her writing and don&#8217;t think she&#8217;ll push aside the friendship for the romance.</p>
<p>I hope Hatori Bisco will have more with Haruhi&#8217;s friendship with Mei, as I love <i>Ouran</i> but really wish there were more women at times. </p>
<p>What do you think about <i>Sand Chronicles</i>? I feel that though a great deal of the focus is on romance and romantic rivalry, I also love Ann&#8217;s relationship with Shika and how it&#8217;s weighted in the series. </p>
<p>Unsurprisingly, Yazawa Ai&#8217;s <i>Paradise Kiss</i>, <i>Last Quarter</i>, <i>Gokinjo Monogatari</i>, and <i>Tenshi Nanka Ja Nai</i> (latter three not licensed, booooooo!) also have a lot of time dedicated to female friendships (I particularly love the ones in <i>Tenshi Nanka Ja Nai</i>), and I love how she neatly sidesteps issues of romantic rivalry between women. </p>
<p>&#8230; now I am tempted to make a list for non-shoujo series too, just because I feel good female friendships and/or romances can be difficult to find overall!</p>
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